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Re: [Bfix] Welder recomendations

From: Brett Kinch <kinchx4_at_earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:47:53 -0700

Hey , didn't mean to make you both get bent outa shape, here.....
 I'm just merely stating the ratings. What you go with is up to you. Kinda
like Ford or Chevy.....
I know guys that swear by Millers as well and won't touch a Lincoln. It's
all what you percieve....
Salesmen are salesmen. They are are gonna sell you on what makes them the
most money in spiffs for them at the time.
 I bought my 185 three months old from a company that needed something
bigger. They bought a huge Miller and sold me the 185, gauges and bottle for
600 bucks. I learned how to use it. That's what it's all about...learning to
use the machine you have.
Brett Kinch
Rock-Quip
www.rock-quip.rockcrawler.com



> I guess that I will go trade my Lincoln in on a miller since Ive been
> educated. I wish I would have known all this before I bought it. Not that
> the different reps at the welding places I went knew anything by
> recommending it, or that more than a couple professional welders said
would
> not own anything but a Lincoln. And not that the lincoln sure feels like a
> better welder, since Ive used both, including the Miller 185 and 210... I
> wonder why it costs a bit more since its such an inferior machine. Kinda
> makes ya wonder though....
>
>
> Clint Eddy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Bowlin" <live2wheel_at_msn.com>
> To: "bfix" <mail_at_broncofix.com>; "ebml" <ebml_at_bronco.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 7:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bfix] [EBML] Welder recomendations
>
>
> > Well there you have it, the miller is equal to or better than the
lincoln.
> Its gotta be, says so
> > right on the box.
> > Mike Bowlin
> > 67 EB narrowed 8"s...sefi 5.0,700r4,4.3 atlasII
> >
> > > O.K.....
> > > You're getting your ratings and ranges confused, here....
> > > You're comparing the Miller's output rating of a 60% duty cycle to
> Lincoln's
> > > max range of 200 amps at 30% duty cycle.....
> > > Apples to oranges....Lincoln's 60% duty cycle is rated at 150 amps at
24
> > > volts, while Miller's 210 is 160 amps at 24.5 volts.
> > > So here's a break down of their performance at 30% duty cycles (max
> > > range)...
> > > Lincoln 200 Power Mig--- 200 amps (max range) at 22 volts at 30% duty
> cycle
> > > MillerMatic 210--- 210 amps (max range) at 22 volts at 30% duty cycle
> > > How the two companies advertise their ratings are different. I don't
> know
> > > what the "CV" Output Rating is that Lincoln advertises their 30% duty
> cycle
> > > at. The 60% duty cycle is the Specified Rating through the U.S. and
> Canadian
> > > Standards Association.
> > > Either way you look at it , the Miller is the more powerful
machine.....
> > > Brett Kinch
> > > Rock-Quip
> > > www.rock-quip.rockcrawler.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > That may be but the output range of the Lincoln is 200 amps, albeit
at
> > > > reduced duty cycle whereas the Miller's output rating is only 160
> amps.
> > > > These figures are from www.lincolnelectric.com and
www.millerwelds.com
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > > ---- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Brett Kinch" <kinchx4_at_earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "bfix" <mail_at_broncofix.com>; "ebml" <ebml_at_bronco.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Bfix] [EBML] Welder recomendations
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The Output Range of the Miller 210 is 30-210 amps. The Output
Range
> of
> > > > the
> > > > > Lincoln 200 is 30-200 amps.
> > > > > The Rated Output at 60% duty cycle is 160 amps for the Miller 210,
> and
> > > 150
> > > > > amps for the Lincoln 200.....
> > > > > Brett Kinch
> > > > > Rock-Quip
> > > > > www.rock-quip.rockcrawler.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You'd better check your facts again Brett. The Miller's "Output
> > > Range"
> > > > is
> > > > > > 210, not the actual or rated output which is only 160 amps
whereas
> the
> > > > > > Lincoln is 200. Both companies try to mislead you a bit.
> (Lincoln
> > > does
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same on their smaller welders.) They can get away with this as
> long
> > > as
> > > > > they
> > > > > > show the "Rated Output" somewhere. Buyer beware...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee Wilson
> > > > > > Houston, TX
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Brett Kinch" <kinchx4_at_earthlink.net>
> > > > > > To: "bfix" <mail_at_broncofix.com>; "ebml" <ebml_at_bronco.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bfix] [EBML] Welder recomendations
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The185 has been replaced by the 210 which is more powerful
than
> > > > > Lincoln's
> > > > > > > 200.
> > > > > > > Rated Output:
> > > > > > > Miller 210--160 amps at 24.5 volts at 60% duty cycle
> > > > > > > Lincoln 200-- 150 amps at 24 volts at 60% duty cycle
> > > > > > > Interestingly, my Miller 185 has the same rated output as the
> > > Lincoln
> > > > > 200
> > > > > > > except for 1 volt....
> > > > > > > Miller 185-- 150 amps at 23 volts at 60% duty cycle
> > > > > > > Hmmmm.............
> > > > > > > Brett Kinch
> > > > > > > Rock-Quip
> > > > > > > www.rock-quip.rockcrawler.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kevin, good choice!!!!!! Ive used the Miller 185 and it
cannot
> > > hang
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > lincoln power mig. Mine cost me 50 bucks more than the 185
and
> its
> > > a
> > > > > > true
> > > > > > > > quality unit. And like Brian said, its got that cool Nascar
> > > sticker
> > > > on
> > > > > > > it!!!
> > > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Clint
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Kevin Lackey" <lackkevi_at_inconnu.isu.edu>
> > > > > > > > To: "Mike Bowlin" <live2wheel_at_msn.com>
> > > > > > > > Cc: <EBML_at_bronco.com>; <mail_at_broncofix.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:19 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Bfix] [EBML] Welder recomendations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think after looking around I am going to get a Licoln
> PowerMig
> > > > > 200.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > found them for $1057.32 at www.weldingmart.com with free
> > > delivery.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > have to decide between at 200 amp and the 255 amp
> unit........ a
> > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > > more money.
> > > > > > > > > Kevin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Pereant, inquit, qui ante nos nostra dixerunt.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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